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« on: November 13, 2007, 10:05:47 »


Jedna od opcija, za one do 85kg.  Wink

http://www.rinoseats.com/
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« Reply #1 on: November 13, 2007, 13:46:55 »

Vidio sam to jos prosli tjedan, nisam imao komentara Grin
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« Reply #2 on: November 13, 2007, 14:22:23 »

Mogu misliti koliko bi krugova izdržalo... pri tome mislim na onaj dio koji pridržava upravljač. Ipak, najs ajdia.... npr. za Fizia Grin
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« Reply #3 on: November 14, 2007, 12:48:54 »

Nije loše za mene. Ja sam inače ovak malo niži a nisam baš ni krupan. No ipak ove šipke mi izgledaju kao da bi ih u naletu adrenalina mogao savinuti.  Grin
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« Reply #4 on: November 14, 2007, 18:40:33 »

Hmmmm a da se pojavim ja sa svojih 193cm i 112kg ovaj stolac bi pobegel iz sobe. Grin
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« Reply #5 on: March 15, 2008, 11:05:44 »

Hmmmm a da se pojavim ja sa svojih 193cm i 112kg ovaj stolac bi pobegel iz sobe. Grin

Rinoseat Revolution G25 Edition - review from UK: http://www.simjunkies.org/Forum/index.php?topic=7887.0




Rinoseat Revolution G25 Edition - review from Croatia: http://www.croteam-lfs.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=579





 
 

 
 


 


 
packaging unit weight: 12 kg
packaging unit size: 84 x 48 x 17 cm
 
video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_ruAMgWHyo driver height 190cm
video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ci03Sy3p47I
video: http://youtube.com/watch?v=UDjdhOSILXc
video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4jFmuImnx8 driver height 181cm
video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HovnO_XcvXo
video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDBh7fusSWw
video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gwHdHLsPto
video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOIOLNDvLSc
 
big review: http://forum.racesimcentral.com/showpost.php?p=3695615&postcount=57
 
video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKMxINVNd70 hard test - drifting in LFS
&review: http://forum.racesimcentral.com/showpost.php?p=3647082&postcount=33
 
video: http://youtube.com/watch?v=xN5QLNdUwuo driver height 197cm
video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TN8WQtYEE1k driver & little codriver
 
pictures: http://picasaweb.google.ro/Gaas35/RinoSeatPrezentacijaTest
pictures: http://picasaweb.google.ro/rinoreno/RinoseatRevolution
 
assembly from Sweden: http://teamxfr.org/temp/
review from Sweden: http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?p=684459#post684459
 
videos: http://youtube.com/profile_videos?user=shoock123&p=v
 
video: http://youtube.com/watch?v=AbfLCZ4QrS8 heel and toe technique
&my opinion about posibility of driving with heel and toe technique with Rinoseat + G25:
http://forum.racesimcentral.com/showpost.php?p=3664249&postcount=5
 
some reviews:
http://forum.racesimcentral.com/showpost.php?p=3661616&postcount=41
http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?p=684459#post684459
http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=38375
 
my answer:
http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?p=683080#post683080
 
big thread (GENERAL PROMOTION):
http://forum.racesimcentral.com/showthread.php?t=304293
 





 

...And it does one damn good effect - it transfers the FF efects right onto your body! Not all effects can be felt - going over the curbs is like-never-before, also hitting the wall - but thats not what we want...
...I also really liked the fact that you can feel the FF effects almost trough all your body. This brings in a new dimension in simracing, you can feel every bump, curb or reving the engine...
...I felt force feedback in my seat! Like i was driving a real car! I am g25 owner for a long time, and it is attached to my desk where it has no chance of moving.. that's why rinoseat felt great, because that pipe reacts slightly on strong pulling and strong effects... I must admit that it turns out to be biggest reason I liked it. That pipe and way rinoseat was designed is breakthrough in world of simeracing. Don't let something fool you around if you hadn't tried it! Feeling that I felt is hard to describe, it is really special. Don't think that you can brake or deform that pipe. I haven't seen a situation in which it could happen. I even tried my self to deform ti- result was moving whole seat with man sitting on it...
 
Yes, you can feel FF effect in your body. How is it possible?
 
The concept of stability is completely different from any other product. This is revolution in game chairs. Rinoseat stands on the floor in four points. There are two points on the back side (they carry 60% of gamer's weight), third one in the middle section (which carries 0%-40% of the user's weight) and the fourth point under the pedal (that one carries 40%-0% of user's weight).With weight distributed like this, pedal plates are loaded with max. 40% of user's weight and they safely stand on the floor. With asymmetric pressure on pedals (acceleration - brake), pedal plate mount is safely fixed to the floor. Middle section can change pressure to floor depending of user weight. Such construction, result that the middle section can vibrate a little. Vibration are produced by FF wheel, and are transfered through tube on your seat's base steel construction.
 
This is completly new dimension of pleasure in raceseat.
 
Additional option: Higher Shifter

 
 
 
 
Rinoseat is totally different from any other raceseats, because we have been developing raceseat to improve driving experience and to improve the feeling of driving. For improving driving experience, we have many factors. Some of that are: foot pedal angle, seat base length, seat base angle, position of your crank, lumbar support, commodity, angle of your back... "Real" race seat is not good option for sim racer. Maybe for realistic look, or feeling of "siting", but for long long driving it is not a good solution. When we started Rinoseat project (2.5 years ago), we decided that we would make something completely different, something revolutionary. We do not want to copy other similar products. We have analized the market and we made construction and design priorities and developed Rinoseat through series of rigorous tests.
 

Richard Burns rally driven with Logitech G25 mounted on RinoSeat
video: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1943396906755598644&hl=en

Richard Burns Rally tarmac stage Cote D'Arbroz driven with G25 mounted on RinoSeat. Car is Mitsubishi Lancer WRC.
video: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=253663459746044674

video: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3180134300425049881

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« Reply #6 on: March 17, 2008, 01:30:45 »

Hmmmm a da se pojavim ja sa svojih 193cm i 112kg ovaj stolac bi pobegel iz sobe. Grin

evo još jedan video: http://youtube.com/watch?v=xN5QLNdUwuo 200cm/110kg

dakle, kao što vidiš, nema probleme sa težinom i visinom

Rinoseat je sjedalo velikih dimenzija, i njegove noge se samo čine male (to su čelične cijevi, koje ne možeš nikako savinuti normalnom upotrebom)

Uživo je potpuno drugačiji

review iz Njemačke: http://www.racersleague.com/viewtopic.php?p=69682#69682 by Stefan Seiter GTR² Admin LSC-Serie http://www.team-dtmr.de/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=22&Itemid=51

u kojem se Rinoseat uspoređuje sa Playseatom (podebljano i plavo u tekstu)

And if!

Two weeks ago I ordered the RinoSeat, and after I have sensetively ajusted it, I now have three races (60 min per NGT, 70 min GTL, 3 hours LSC), so that I have enough experience for a small report. So from that:

According to Heinz Erhardt I started thinking ahead, namely when ordering. Email to Renato (here at the Forum "renorino"), half an hour later came the order, together with account for the transfer. The transfer lasted longest (since the weekend), the transport went quickly, and after ordering, I got a shipment number with which I detailed package via the Internet could follow. Customer service and information flow 1A.

The package was quite compact (dimensions can be viewed on www.rinoseats.com), the content well padded and slippery place. To build there is even a complete tool, what is needed to help provided additional cable ties and both side adhesive tape (surface once schleifpapier, once klettverschlussartig).
With the instruction manual, which I have previously received by mail, is the spectacle even for skilled craftsmanship rather average fellow like me to do well.

Then the first fitting at NGT races in Zandvoort: The seat is as comfortable as stable and has a long run tavern situation.
On an anticipated stability anyway: All your fears this good conscience I can dispel. When I first saw pictures, I was a little skeptical - holds that? But then I looked at more and more photos and videos viewed mainly that my doubts were dwindling. And after I in the last race in my desk chair was already so annoyed by my inappropriate seating position, I decided to RinoSeat indicated.

In short, the thing is bombenfest. In terms of stability it can't be compared to  PlaySeat in nothing. No shaking, no slides, no tilt, nothing. Even with proper force feedback, and also quick steering movements device is not in trouble. The steering wheel holder, I think even much better than the PlaySeat (the times when I was Fritz test), while the PlaySeat Holder something like swing to the side when you violently boost at the wheel, you can feel when RinoSeat due to the relatively short connection the handlebars to the seat absolutely nothing.

After the first race fit the pedal position still is not 100%, so on Saturday amended and by far the most relaxing LSC race of my life there, mind you, relaxed and not get bored (who live stream has seen, knows that everything other than boring, ). Even after an hour running time was for me: This investment has been worth it. The comfort is outstanding. The back is divided into three stages variable (steep, "rally-style", nearly 90 ° / upright, "normal" style and a little further tilted / F1 flat, "GT-style" liegemäßig heavily tilted). I chose the medium variant decide, because I am most lateral support, and best fleet also perform manoeuvres at the wheel. It can have on the boards for the steering wheel and pedals several disguise.
As some have written: You do not wegrutschenden pedals after fishing with me is also often times the chair rolled to the side, or the steering wheel holder has been relaxed at the table - that's all past. It has a fixed seat and pedal position, which is to focus much better on the race and we can concentrate not so long strained.

In addition, the design is relatively compact. My room is not exactly majestic proportions, so it was very important to me that I use the racing seat can be stowed simply, without the need to dismantle it, if I just do not go. And he will after use across underneath my desk, with the seat in the desk drawer - fits perfectly.

From me, there is therefore an unqualified recommendation: Who plays with the idea of getting a race seat indicated, with the RinoSeat in any case, happy. This is it is very compact and relatively cheap. I am very pleased.

And no, I am not lately in the marketing department of Rino Industries employed.



Ukoliko imate pitanja, pitajte.

Hvala

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« Reply #7 on: March 17, 2008, 09:05:11 »

Dva pitanja... zašto su mu pedale onako položene? Nekako mi je to prilično neprirodno s obzirom na to koliko je pružio noge? Pretpostavljam da nagib može biti veći?

Drugo, da li se visina volana odn. postolja za volan može podešavati. Ovo kao što je njemu mi se čini nisko, bar za moj stil vožnje?

btw... daješ li popust na kilažu? Grin
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« Reply #8 on: March 17, 2008, 14:16:16 »

Hej Renato,

Drago mi je da si ovdje, pravo je zadovoljstvo imati na sajtu nekoga tko se ozbiljno bavi stvarima za koje vecina ljudi smatra da su efemerne.

Sto se Rinoseata tice, imao sam priliku isprobati ga i mogu reci da je citava stvar OK, osim izgleda. Naravno, estetska komponenta je vrlo subjetivna stvar, a unaprijed cu se sloziti i kako sadrzaj mora prevladati formu u svakoj stvari, pa tako i ovdje. Ipak, meni je osobno upravo izgled citave konstrukcije bio i ostao nekako dvojben. Ipak, sve se to nadoknadjuje jednom kad se sjedne u sjedalo.

Sto se same kvalitete tice, slazem se sa svime sto su napisali ljudi koji su imali priliku isprobati Rinoseat - doista odusevljava cvrstoca citave konstrukcije, cak i uz jaki force feedback. Mogucnost laganog spremanja je svakako dobrodosla za sve one koji nemaju mjesta imati konstrukciju citavo vrijeme u prvom planu, tako da je sve zajedno poprilicno zaokruzen proizvod. Svakako kvalitetniji od bilo kojeg PlaySeata ili slicnih prozivoda koji ostaju iskljucivo vizualno atraktivni i to samo zahvaljujuci upotrebi replike trkaceg sjedala.

U svakom slucaju, zelim ti uspjesnu prodaju i siguran sam da ce Rinoseat naci svoj put do zainteresiranih kupaca. Vecina ljudi u Europi uopce nema ideju koliko je citav business sa takvim i slicnim sjedalima velik u SAD, niti kolika se lova doista vrti u tom poslu. Nadam se da ces uspjeti sebi prigrabiti barem dio tog kolaca, buduci da ga Rinoeat svojim prednostima u nekim aspektima itekako zasluzuje u odnosu na konkurenciju.

Pozivam te i da slobodno navedes gdje se sve Rinoseat moze kupiti u Hrvatskoj, kao i maloprodajnu cijenu za HR - i da na taj nacin svim zainteresiranima olaksas kupnju.

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« Reply #9 on: March 17, 2008, 19:04:27 »

Meni je odlican samo me zanima jedno cijena.....?
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« Reply #10 on: March 18, 2008, 01:47:51 »

Dva pitanja... zašto su mu pedale onako položene? Nekako mi je to prilično neprirodno s obzirom na to koliko je pružio noge? Pretpostavljam da nagib može biti veći?

Drugo, da li se visina volana odn. postolja za volan može podešavati. Ovo kao što je njemu mi se čini nisko, bar za moj stil vožnje?

btw... daješ li popust na kilažu? Grin

1. Kut pedala možeš podešavati u koracima po pet stupnja. Imaš tri moguće pozicije. To se radi sa malim crnim pločicama (na slici).



Ukoliko ti ne odgovara niti jedan, možemo ti napraviti pločice (kut) po mjeri. Kako bi u tom slučaju ti bio prvi, to dobivaš besplatno (mi takve nove pločice stavljamo u ponudu).

Evo što korisnici kažu o tom kutu, koji je za sve jedno od najvećih iznenađenja. http://www.croteam-lfs.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=579&start=0

...i tako, namjestim mjenjac, duzinu nogu i pocnem. ovo sam i njima rekao, a naprosto je kao prvo upalo u oko, tocnije pod noge. polozaj pedala. naprosto savrsen osjecaj koji sam osjetio samo u nekoliko automobila u stvarnosti. noge ispruzene, oslonjene na pedale, onako, kao da su u zraku. bez posebne tezine i napora. jednostavno osjecaj koji noga osjeti nakon prvog stiskanja kuplunga...


2. Volan možeš podešavati po visini (vertikalno) i po daljini (horizontalno), i to neovisno jedno o drugome (ukupno 24 pozicije).





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Zašto baš taj kut pedala?

Rinoseat je razvijan skoro 3 godine (uključujući i serijsku proizvodnju) i pažljivo testiran.

Kut pedala je morao omogućiti vozaču da satima vozi bez umora rista, te vožnju tehnikom "Heel and toe".
On je samo DIO ukupne ergonomije.

Ovdje je moje objašnjenje sa: http://forum.racesimcentral.com/showpost.php?p=3664343&postcount=44

Heel and toe technique of driving was one of the most important thing when I was developing Rinoseat.
For using this tehniques of driving, you must UNLOAD YOUR LEGS AND FOOT WITH PROPERLY POSITION OF ANGLE PEDALS PLATE!!!
Good simrace seat must have the following options:

1. long seat base (you unload your legs)
2. long side suport seat base (we discovered that you must have support when you push your pedals with heel and toe and that you rotate your foot)
3. proper angle of seat base (you get the feeling, that your legs are levitating)
4. small thickness of sponge under your knees (what we discovered from praxis was that your brain must feel one fixed position on your legs, one point of your legs must be fixed so that you could push pedals)
5. posibility (an option) that you can extend your legs without moving up your knees (even in case that you are 200cm height)
6. properly set height diference (distance) betwen your seat base and pedal plate
7. posibility that you can change angle of your pedal (correct angle is VERY IMPORTANT for your foot)
8. strong support for your pedal plate without flexing it (when you push your pedals, you produce really big force)
9. free space between your legs under knees

You can see all of this on this pictures of Rinoseat:


There is a video of heel and toe technique with Rinoseat:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=AbfLCZ4QrS8
http://youtube.com/watch?v=A77dylVLsoU
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3180134300425049881

There you can see one bad example of position of sitting (bad seat construction):



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« Reply #11 on: March 18, 2008, 02:40:06 »

Hej Renato,
Drago mi je da si ovdje, pravo je zadovoljstvo imati na sajtu nekoga tko se ozbiljno bavi stvarima za koje vecina ljudi smatra da su efemerne.
Sto se Rinoseata tice, imao sam priliku isprobati ga i mogu reci da je citava stvar OK, osim izgleda. Naravno, estetska komponenta je vrlo subjetivna stvar, a unaprijed cu se sloziti i kako sadrzaj mora prevladati formu u svakoj stvari, pa tako i ovdje. Ipak, meni je osobno upravo izgled citave konstrukcije bio i ostao nekako dvojben. Ipak, sve se to nadoknadjuje jednom kad se sjedne u sjedalo.
Sto se same kvalitete tice, slazem se sa svime sto su napisali ljudi koji su imali priliku isprobati Rinoseat - doista odusevljava cvrstoca citave konstrukcije, cak i uz jaki force feedback. Mogucnost laganog spremanja je svakako dobrodosla za sve one koji nemaju mjesta imati konstrukciju citavo vrijeme u prvom planu, tako da je sve zajedno poprilicno zaokruzen proizvod. Svakako kvalitetniji od bilo kojeg PlaySeata ili slicnih prozivoda koji ostaju iskljucivo vizualno atraktivni i to samo zahvaljujuci upotrebi replike trkaceg sjedala.
U svakom slucaju, zelim ti uspjesnu prodaju i siguran sam da ce Rinoseat naci svoj put do zainteresiranih kupaca. Vecina ljudi u Europi uopce nema ideju koliko je citav business sa takvim i slicnim sjedalima velik u SAD, niti kolika se lova doista vrti u tom poslu. Nadam se da ces uspjeti sebi prigrabiti barem dio tog kolaca, buduci da ga Rinoeat svojim prednostima u nekim aspektima itekako zasluzuje u odnosu na konkurenciju.
Pozivam te i da slobodno navedes gdje se sve Rinoseat moze kupiti u Hrvatskoj, kao i maloprodajnu cijenu za HR - i da na taj nacin svim zainteresiranima olaksas kupnju.
Pozdrav!

Kao prvo, hvala ti na lijepim riječima i dobrodošlici.

Kod razvoja Rinoseata, imao sam tri cilja:
1. funkcionalnost (komfor, ergonomija, čvrstoća, rastavljivost, mobilnost)
2. komercijalni faktor (mala kutija, težina)
3. izgled

Izgled Rinoseata je uvjetovan funkcijom i komercijalnim faktorom.

Npr: bočne držače leđa (kao na pravim trkaćim sjedalima) izbacio sam, jer oni nemaju apsolutno nikakvu funkciju u kućnoj vožnji, dapače samo smetaju, a s obzirom da se sjedalo preklapa, to bi sa njima bilo nemoguće (tehnički ih je izuzetno lagano napraviti)



Bočne držaće sjedećeg djela sam ostavio i produžio, jer te oni "fiksiraju" u sjedalu, i pružaju ti bočni oslonac za nogu.

Na ovoj slici se vidi da bočne stranice (duge su 60cm, te su 10cm duže od sjedećeg dijela) drže noge.

Možeš ih slobodno osloniti na te duge bočne stranice, jer ti one drže noge skupa.
Izuzetno dugi sjedaći dio (50cm), nagnuto unazad (6 stupnjeva), duge bočne stranice (60cm) i prilagodljivi kut pedala sa lagano povišenom pozicijom te mogućnošću da ih potpuno udaljiš i za one najviše, potpuno su smanjile opterećenje nogu, tako da ti stopala doslovno lebde na pedalama, što ti omogućuje dugu i bezbolnu vožnju, te ti poboljšava osjećaj na pedalama. Tvoja reakcija na pedalama se ubrzava, osjećaj ti se poboljšava, te se možeš potpuno posvetiti vožnji.


Sjedeći dio sam napravio od spužve debljine 6cm. Zašto tako tanke? Zato jer nije bilo potrebe, s obzirom na elastične trake (podnica). Zašto nema onog zadebljanja ispod nogu, kako kod pravih trkaćih sjedala? Zato jer sam stolac nagnuo unazad 6 stupnjeva, što se u autu ne radi, pa se zato stavlja takav oblik spužve.

Ovo je samo primjer logike razvoja. Na kraju je izgled ispao takav kakav je.


Meni osobno na slikama bez G25 djeluje za 2+, na slikama sa G25 za -4, uživo sa i bez volana za +4, a uživo sa vozačem i volanom za -5.
Nekima se sviđa odmah, nekima tako-tako, ali većina se u biti nakon malo "privikavanja" na novo, oduševi nečim potpuno novim (revolucionarnim).
Većina, kada vidi samo sjedalo

kaže da im je sjedalo super.

"Tanke" noge na "velikom" sjedalu ruše sklad na slikama, ali uživo ga se gleda sa visine (za razliku od slika), pa noge potpuno odlaze u drugi plan, ne vidi ih se.
Meni je bitno da ljudima u stanovima on ne izgleda kao "ogromna gomila željeza".

Što se tiče tržišta, da, ono je ogromno. Ne samo SAD, već i Europa i Azija. SimRace igre su u velikoj ekspanziji. PC i konzole sve bolje, monitori/televizori sve veći, simulacije sve bolje i bolje, a benzin sve skuplji i skuplji. Svi vozimo prave aute, te mogućnost on-line igranja, jednostavno "pali" ljude.

Što se tiče čvrstoće, testirali smo ga na nemoguće uvjete u praksi (npr: stolić volana smo opteretili sa 115kg) i moguće (npr: ljuljanje vozača od 115kg na zadnjim nogama + 50kg viška).
Statika je pak priča za sebe. Težina je distribuirana 60% iza i 40% naprijed, radi "fiksacije" pedala. U sjedalu su mnoga zavarena rebra (ojačanja).

Može se regulirati kut naslona:

okomito

srednje

vodoravno

Ovdje vidite koliko Rinoseat mora biti stabilan i čvrst, da sigurno drži vozača u ovoj poziciji.

Rinoseat će se moći kupiti u svim dućanima sa Playstation opremom, i u svim trgovačkim centrima sličnog sadržaja. Poduzeće GMC je preuzelo distribuciju za Hrvatsku i druge ex-YU zemlje.
U ponudi će biti dva modela

a) Rinoseat Revolution oko MPC: 1500kn
b) Rinoseat Revolution G25 Edition oko MPC: 1700kn

Prodaja će krenuti krajem mjeseca.


Hvala

Renato Marković

P.S. U pripremi je još niz dodataka za sjedalo, te nekoliko novih projekata (proizvoda).
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« Reply #12 on: March 18, 2008, 11:41:34 »

O kilaži na ... PM

Čekam Smiley
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« Reply #13 on: April 09, 2008, 11:51:14 »

Mislim da ste me nagovorili na ovo čudo.
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« Reply #14 on: April 09, 2008, 12:51:40 »

Cestitam! Samo se nemoj sad i u GT5:P poceti zivcirati, stvarno cu se zabrinuti za tebe Smiley
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