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« Reply #15 on: April 11, 2008, 13:19:28 »

Cestitam! Samo se nemoj sad i u GT5:P poceti zivcirati, stvarno cu se zabrinuti za tebe Smiley

Ma ne brini, za nas blizance ti je to normalno.  Wink Temperamentni smo, nema tu pomoći.
No obećajem da ću se suzdržavati onakvih napada bijesa i nervoze.
Počinjem skupljati lovu za GTP, G25 ili novi DFP i Rinoseat.
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« Reply #16 on: April 18, 2008, 12:20:15 »

Lumbalni dio je prava stvar,ali malo me brinu na naizgled niski bočni oslonci za bedra.
Zar nisu mogli biti veći,jer za razliku od oslonaca za ramena,ovi imaju funkciju pri kućnoj vožnji?
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« Reply #17 on: April 26, 2008, 22:07:15 »

Pozdrav svima!!
 
Upravo isprobao ovo čudo kod Amara i moram reći da sam ugodno iznenađen Grin
Jednostavno i funkcionalno bi bio najbolji opis čitave konstrukcije, a znamo da se ta kombinacija ne dobiva slučajno. Autor evidentno zna kako i sa čime radi.
Naizgled krhka konstrukcija je nevjerovatno čvrsta i fleksibilna. Prvih par minuta ne želite biti pre-grubi, jer središnja prečka na kojoj je volan, je zbog svoje dužine i debljine lagano flexibilna, te nakon ohrabrivanja od strane Amara počinjem i namjerno tražiti granice čvrstoće Grin Šta je, je, čvrsto je, nema šta!
Osjećaj je odličan, baš zato što volan nije fiksan, nego ima to lagano flexi odstupanje, koje ublažava nagla trzanja volanom, pa imate osjećaj da i sam volan manje trpi; pritiskanja, povlačenja i slične stvari kojih u žaru vožnje nismo ni svjesni Cheesy
Konstrukcija je stvarno lagana i sklopiva, pa tako oni koji imaju manjak prostora, kao recimo ja, uvijek ju mogu bez problema premjestiti ili sklopiti da ne smeta.
Oni mali držači za bedra rade svoj posao odlično, ali naslon je možda malo pre napet, nije neudoban, nego imate čudan osjećaj, jer bočnih oslonaca nema. Možda je potreban period odvikavanja i privikavanja. Možda bi naslon trebao biti malo manje vodoravno nategnut ili sl. tako da leđa tek toliko malo utonu u naslonjač.
Da  ponovno napomenem, sjedalo je udobno, samo imam osjećaj da lebdim Grin
Za pohvalu je i jako velik raspon podešavanja, od postolja za mjenjač, do pedala i sveg ostalog.
Jedini minus vidim u stražnjim nožicama, jer izgledaju ružno i vizualno nikako ne pašu! Kada bi međusobno bile spojene, ali ne pod kutem, nego lagano zaobljene tako da prate koncepciju ostatka konstrukcije, riješio bi se jedini (po meni) vizualni nedostatak Wink
Lakoća konstrukcije i njezin dizajn sa središnjom prečkom malo otežavaju ulazak, odnosno sjedanje za upravljač, jer u biti morate zakoračiti oko središnje prečke što vam otežava i sasvim logična pozicija mjenjača te lagana konstrukcija, jer se lagano oslanjate i vučete volan pa imate osjećaj da ćete pasti pri sjedanju.
No sve u svemu, oduševljen sam sa kvalitetom izrade, cijenom i uloženom trudu.
Renorino svaka čast, sjajno odrađen posao i sve mi se čini da će uskoro i jedan stand (sa crnim sjedalima Grin) biti i u mom domu.
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« Reply #18 on: April 27, 2008, 00:01:37 »

Bravo Pedjo, drago mi je pročitati bilo kakvu naznaku da se bi se veliki majstor mogao vratiti na scenu! Smiley

Mene je Amar također večeras uvjeravao da je Rinoseat prava stvar... jedva čekam da ga isprobam...
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« Reply #19 on: May 29, 2008, 10:26:19 »

Napokon sam uhvatio vremena da napisem review za Rinoseat, naravno da je na engleskom Smiley, ali ako nekoga zanima pretpostavljam da to nece predsatvljati problem. I jos jednom hvala Renatu sto mi je dao priliku da isprobam Rinoseat kako Bog zapovijeda Smiley.

RINOSEAT G25 Edition - IMHO the best cockpit solution ever

Before further explaining my claim above, I have to make few notes.

I never liked any "commercial" cockpit solutions in up to 500 euros price range, from many reasons. Price, looks and usability (ergonomic) were never combined in one package in my standards. Also, as I had a chance to test many different cokpits, many of them were too expensive for what they were actually providing. So, right before GT4's release, I decided to build my own cockpit and invest as much as I have in order to produce a satisfactory product.

Today I have my own, custom made cockpit solution, made to my measures and made by high-quality materials. When finished, it costed me hefty amount of cash and working hours.

My current cockpit tubular frame is made of high density chrom-ollie steel, use by car-exhaust specialists. It's very rigid, but not as normal steel, and nor as heavy. It combines the best characteristics of steel and aluminum. Seating is a real sports-car shell-seat by Dutch manufacturer. Seat is mounted on custom-casted steel-holders, attached to wooden plank in the bottom, forming low seating position.

My seating position was made in idea to resemblance the seating position in the touring car, with low seating and high wheel position. As I'm 188 cm high, I made distance to the pedals in order to concede with the "touring-position". In visual department, my cockpit is all-black - even the screws and such - and it looks pretty much impressive.

I was very satisfied with it. It gave me great feel of driving, and thanks to my proper planning of positions I never felt any pain in both arms, shoulders and legs, even after lengthy sessions of GT4's endurance races or numerous LAN parties at my friends place. Also, I really loved the "racing" feel of the shell-seat and low seating. During the past few years I tried many other cockpit solutions and none reached the overall level of immersion I had with my cockpit. Playseat, Playseat Evolution, and other not so famous among others, together with even official "Gran Turismo" cockpits that were used by Sony on various gaming-fairs.

However, after I tried Rinoseat - my cockpit became a history.

Rinoseat changed my whole perspective in terms of home-cockpits. Since there are many fields regarding that matter, below is the breakdown:

Rinoseat is very light, somewhere around 15 kilos. My cockpit is around 30 kilos - and I liked to think it was light actually when compare to others. So, it's easy to manipulate with it for storing purposes when not driving. Also, Rinoseat can be fully disassembled in matter of minutes, once you've got used to procedure.

It offers great amount of changes to the seating position, as well as wheel, pedals and shifter position. I've settled with pretty much conservative, "straight" seating position, but there are 4 in total, depending of your driving style. Wheel can be positioned in 2 heights, while pedals can be adjusted in few various degrees positions. Also, you can choose between 2 heights for the shifter-console (I'm talking about G25 wheel here), and you can make micro-adjustment of the side-position through whole length of the console. In short, variations that Rinoseat offers is pretty much unbelievable.

Notice that I've tested the Rinoseat together with few my friends, everyone of them being different in terms of body construction. While my original cockpit was very difficult to use by my "shorter" friends, together as for my "weightier" friends, Rinoseat was easy to adjust or each of them. You can just shorten/prolong the pedal-tube in order to make them reachable for man of any height in matter of seconds, while lack of shell-seating allows that Rinoseat can be used by people that usually do not fit inside shell-seat.

Needles to say, they were all amazed by overall feel of seating, together with driving sensation that Rinoseat gives.

Because of the unique construction of the wheelbase console, vibrations and force feedback effect is carried to the seating, resulting with the further immersion of driving sensation. Height-distance position of the pedals provides great feel for legs, as well it feels very natural for all that are real life car drivers. Overall seating position is particularly good, especially because of side-grips for legs which provides a really useful blocking of movement to the upper part of the leg during pedal-usage.

In terms of build quality, Rinoseat is also a true sensation. I really couldn't believe that such a lightweight construction could withstand G25 wheel and overall torture that serious driving demands - but it passed with highest grades even in that field. It also comes packed in unbelievably small packing, and it takes just 30 minute to fully assemble. Nice touch is inclusion of all tools-needed (very high quality I must say, I was very surprised by it), with only exclusion of small screwdriver you will need for unscrewing the bottom part of shifting-console.

Of course, I have to be honest and say that overall looks of Rinoseat are nowhere as near attractive as my cockpit with real racing shell-seating, or any other similar soultion. But, the looks becomes instantly non-important once you start to actually drive.

If I have to find something I would criticize at Rinoseat, there is only one thing I didn't like - and that is black-red color combination because I find the usage of red color totally unnecessary. But I was told that Rinoseat will soon be offered in full-black color - something like Rinoseat Black Edition - which is very nice, because I'd prefer a black one in every case.

In total, Rinoseat is truly the best cockpit I've ever tried, and from now on it will be my only cockpit solution. It excels in all important fields, setting new standards and providing unrivaled feel of driving together with great versatility in all fields. Also, it's price is almost a joke when compared to all other cokcpit solutions, and it also gives Rinoseat additional boost in terms of acceptance to final user.

These days I'll post some pictures of both my original cockpit and Rinoseat for further comparation.

http://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?p=3037167#post3037167
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« Reply #20 on: May 29, 2008, 10:46:53 »

Mogao si im odmah staviti ove slike i jubito filmove što je Rino postao u ovom topicu...
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« Reply #21 on: May 29, 2008, 10:48:05 »

Vec imaju sve te lsike tamo, u pocetku topica, puno prije mog reviewa ako se ne varam.
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« Reply #22 on: May 29, 2008, 17:47:40 »

eto super! posebno me dojmilo sto se povratna sila prenosi i na samo sjediste.
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« Reply #23 on: June 03, 2008, 16:27:54 »

Apsolutno se slažem sa Amarom, cockpit je uistinu fantastičan.
Imam ga već neko vrijeme i sad već mogu dosta objektivno ocijeniti sjedalo (G25 verzija).

Prvo i osnovno, uistinu je lagano i kompaktan a nevjerojatno postojano. Isprva sam bio pomalo sumnjičav jer sam poveći i nije mi sjedalo djelovalo tako čvrsto. No dogovorio sam sa Renatoma za probu i oduševio se.
Iako nije za svakodnevno sklapanje i rasklapanje(koriste se alatke, nije sve klik-klak), bez problema se za par minuta može složiti i nagurat' ispod kreveta.
Sklapanje prolazi bez ikakve muke jer u kompletu dolazi i set potrebnih alatki. Mene je, doduše, izmučio G25 jer se mora maknuti srednji dio sa mjenjača (koji se drži sa četiri vijka), a nisam u tom trenu imao tako mali križni odvijač.
Visinu i udaljenost volana sam pogodio iz prve, jedino sam se malo poigrao sa udaljenošću i potrebnim kutom za pedale.
Fascinantna mi je bila činjenica u kojoj mjeri je sve kvalitetno obrađeno, od materijala i varova pa do preciznosti već prije probušenih rupa. Svaki, ali ama baš svaki dio, vijak, matica naliježe savršeno na dio koji spaja. Na to nisam navikao kada kupujem ovakve sklopive stvari (tipa stolići za televizor i manji namještaj koji isto dolaze u spakirani u kutiju) i uvijek mi se dogodilo da je nešto bilo pomaknuto taman toliko da se moraš nasekirat', namučit' i prolit' litre znoja da to konačno sklopiš. Renato je postavio novi standard u preciznosti obrade materijala Smiley
Na čudan način ulaska se navikneš nakon dva sjedanja u sic, volan je u sredini pa je potrebno opkoračiti sjedalo. Držač za volan klizi po svojoj šini i samo ga klizneš nazad kada sjedneš onako kako ti najbolje odgovara.
No kad sjedneš i pravilno si podesio sve kutove, sjedalo je nevjerojatno udobno. One trake koje su ispod sjedalice su pun pogodak; jako čvrste a opet dosta fleksibilne da se oblikuju prema tijelu. Potreban kut unazad i podrška za leđa su pogođeni da ne može bolje, a može se i dodatno podešavati kako kome najviše odgovara.
Šipka volana je čvrsta, iako ima mali otklon kada se uneseš u vožnju ali svoj posao radi savršeno; bez problema podnosi najgore kontre. Dodatna je fora što se dio FF-a prenosi na sic i baš je dobar feeling.
Prije sam vozio na običnom stolu i uredskom stolcu, ali ovo je potpuno nova dimenzija.
Sjediš i voziš.
I shvatiš da voziš već četiri sata. I da nisi uopće umoran ni "spigan".
I da bi još vozio, ali da imaš drugih obaveza.. Smiley

Što se tiče izgleda, meni izgleda sjajno, sa montiranim volanom puno, puno sofisticiranije i "high tech" nego što ustvari je i biti će dodatni bonus u svačijem multimedijalnom kutku...
Sad si biram sofu da mi ide uz sic.  Smiley

Najtoplije preporuka, ako ste u mogućnosti - svakako nabavite.
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« Reply #24 on: July 14, 2008, 14:36:00 »

Vrlo brzo nakon kupovine G25, shvatio sam da trebam sjedalo.
Vidim da svi hvalite Rinoseats, nas hrvatski proizvod.
Mene zanima kako izgleda konstrukcija  spremna za ispod kreveta.
Pretpostavljam da ga treba razdvojiti na barem dva dijela.
MOze koja slika kako to izgleda?
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« Reply #25 on: July 15, 2008, 20:47:16 »

Jos se nisam odlucio sto uzet  Rinoseats ili Wheelstandpro.
Wheelstandpro (G25 inacica) kosta 129 Eura sa dostavom, a carnina pitaj "Mande" hoce li je bit ?
Rinoseats, vidio sam po stranim forumima cijena oko 200 Eura, na ovom forumu MPC 1700 kn (skuplje??? sto PDV??).
Wheelstandpro je skup (za ono sto nudi). Jedina prava stvar je das se moze sklopiti (mada mu volan malo strsi, pa je i to pitanje hoce li moci ispod kreveta).
Aj Stingeru posalji na PM za koliko bi mogli dobit Rinoseats (G25 inacica)?

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« Reply #26 on: July 16, 2008, 05:56:22 »

Nema ti potrebe za PM; clanovi GTSurgeonsa imaju poseban popust za Rinoseat i mogu ga dobiti za 1500 kn cash - za sto se jos jednom zahvaljujem Renatu.
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« Reply #27 on: July 16, 2008, 06:23:10 »

Nekako mi se taj rinoseat čini nestabilno ?
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« Reply #28 on: July 16, 2008, 07:28:09 »

Amar hvala za info, znaci ipak je 200 Eura !!

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Nekako mi se taj rinoseat čini nestabilno ?
A svi ti pisu da je stabilan i funkcionalan...a sad izgled vjerovatno vara. Po meni izgled je ok.



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« Reply #29 on: July 16, 2008, 08:18:11 »

Nekako mi se taj rinoseat čini nestabilno ?


Vjerojatno zato što nisi pročitao ni jedan od ova tri velika posta što su napisali Pedjo, Amar i fractalizer?
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